Review of chapter "Prologue" from
loyaleskamoeReview:
Xander can be an absolute ass, Buffy does have a superiority complex, and Willow did try to end the world.
This fic is told from the perspective of someone that obviously doesn't like the Scoobies. Is that your opinion as well? If it is, I can, based on the statements I've opened with, absolutely understand that. But why would you write about characters you don't like?
Why not stick with the ones you do like? Personally, if I hate a character, I just won't use them. Or I'd use them very little. But I always do my best to write them as though they were at least somewhat familiar to people who do like them. And with the exception of Giles, who I think you have a fair voice for, I couldn't picture the actors or character behaving in the manner you depicted.
Please don't take this as a flame or lecture. Write absolutely the way you want to. It's free to read and we don't have to if we don't want to. I'm just trying to give you some respectful criticism. Do with it what you will.
Thank you very much for taking the time to read my too long of a review!
Comments from author:
Please remember this was only chapter 1 and Jubbilee is reacting as someone who saw that Xander's family had hurt Gambit.
Why is it he can be an absolute bastard to strange people he's related to and so can his friends on his behalf but no one can react to him having hurt someone?
I don't take it as a flame but that is the reason. To her mind He and his family hurt Gambit and then he and his friends show up just expecting an open armed welcome.
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loyaleskamoe] • Date [21 Nov 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Prologue" from
TweedWizzReview:
Whining about negative reviews isn't on I'm afraid. You put this stuff up, it's there to be commented on.
Even as a piece of writing, even taking away the OOC, it's not good, it's stilted with no real flow, the grammar is appalling.
But the worst thing about it is the bashing. Of course, you could try and point out when Xander took against a human because of their race, the only people he didn't trust were not unreasonably vampires who tried to kill people, end the world, rape his friends, etc, etc.
You don't like a character, great write about those you do like.
To be honest, you come across as a person with a great deal of issues. Not to mention anger issues.
Comments from author:
And you could try paying attention to warnings and notes. but then, I suppose you wouldn't be you if you did that.
Just don't be mad when I start ignoring anything from you because your reviews are ridiculously redundant. I get you don't like my style or my opinions or ideas. I really do. Doesn't mean I have to give you the attention you so obviously desire.
By the way, by my Grammar class? my Grammar is fine unless the spell check on this sight missed some other words that makes the grammar odd. Mine isn't working on my MS Word.
Funny enough, that says my Grammar is still correct, too.
Review By [
TweedWizz] • Date [13 Nov 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Prologue" from
TweedWizzReview:
Just wow.
Yes, Xander was a racist.
Xander who's best friend was a Jew. Who tried to date a girl he thought was a Mexican (Ampata), who had NO problems with either Wood or Kendra (or wait, that must be because he was also a coward who didn't save the world several times on his own, save the Slayer's life several times, or help save the world with his friends).
Yes Xander hated vampires.
Yep, he was bigoted against them.
Because they killed people maybe.
Wow, when you go in for a hatchet job, you really sharpen that axe good and proper don't ya?
Comments from author:
Yes, I do. my opinions are my own, you don't have to read my stuff, most of it is amrked. If you don't like don't read it.
Funny, you haven't commented on when i've made him good like in Zeppo in Vampireland.
I will warn you now, my next one will deal wiht his pathetic little jealousy issues in a hard way so I advise you do not read it.
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TweedWizz] • Date [13 Nov 08] • Rating [1 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Prologue" from
ShieldageReview:
Have you considered answering Challenge 504, 'On the Other Side'? You might be able to do it justice. You mentioned that the Blakeverse Humans First group would likely be gunning for Buffy too, but what if you only dropped in, say, Giles and Xander? ;)
Re:
Giles a target? He cast spells twice a season, on average. I doubt they'd be able to find out he was magic-capable if he didn't want them to. 'Sides, the challenge is "reorganise Humans First into something more"... I think that if he really put his mind to it he could (without visibly using magic) work his way high up into the ranks of the organization, and from that point, use his political pull to get the bias against magic weakened enough that members could use it in surgical strikes against nonhumans, not to mention that using magic would likely enable them to detect werecreatures by sight/touch, something that's only available currently through a bloodtest, right?
Just a thought :)
Comments from author:
Xander would probably join tgem adn Giles would be a target. He's a mage
Review By [
Shieldage] • Date [22 Oct 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Prologue" from
ScorpioReview:
Um...I really like the premise behind this story. The idea of Remy & Xan being brothers and their issues with the parents. Then again, we know that the Harris' are shits - Xan has been dealing with various issues with them throughout the entire Buffy series. Dragging Remy and the X-Men into that as well as the Demon fighting thing is cool.
I do have some concerns about your characterization, though. With Xan, well he has tried very hard to distance himself from his parents, both physically and emotionally. He even went so far as to sabotage his own wedding/future in a desperate attempt to be the opposite of his father. Combine that anti-Harris sentiment with the shinning example of family that Joyce offered up on a silver platter and I have a lot of trouble with Xan pulling the whole "family is only there to use and abuse" card - although he might have issues with the mutant thing to work through if he's spent his whole life being indoctrinated against them.
Also, Jubilee...she's brash, bold and outspoken. She's also compassionate, caring and has suffered enough trauma in her life to be way more understanding of people who have obviously just fled across country to escape some traumatic event. And as she was rattling off those events, she is well aware of the fact that none of the Scoobies are at their best. Plus, anyone that hangs with Logan can handle a bad attitude or two.
And the Scoobies themselves...even at their most traumatized and emotionally wreaked, they've never really been nasty or horrible to anyone except demons...and each other. I can more easily see them trying to put on false smiles and pretending to be much more together than they really are.
I'm not saying they're perfect people, they're not. I can see this whole thing of seeking sanctuary from someone as causing tension between the two groups, little social mishaps and misunderstandings going both ways. Tension between Remy and Xander - Remy with abandonment issues and Xander with the dual issues of 'our parents are drunken assholes' and 'but he's a mutant'.
I can see Buffy flip-flopping between wishing the Watchers had given her the kind of training and support the X-Men have and resenting that they didn't with wanting to be a part of the team and camaraderie. I can see Willow's addiction to magic causing problems because she'd want to help, to prove herself to these powerful people, to maybe 'fix' Remy and Xander's issues. I can see Dawn switching between clinging to Buffy in her need to bond as sisters and trying to break away and make friends with the younger X-Men as a way to establish her Independence.
And in a complete reversal, I could see Giles being the most uncomfortable due to the fact that just being there and telling their story reveals the secret of the Slayer. Despite the group efforts of the Scoobies, it's still just a small handful of people in SunnyD and LA that know of it. By going to the X-Men, the entire X-community will now know as well as all their enemies. It's just a matter of time. I think that Giles' inner Watcher would have protested coming to the mansion strongly despite the good it would ultimately do.
That's just my opinion. For all I know, Jubilee could have her info really really off. The Scoobies could be under a spell that makes them act out on their worst impulses. Hell, they could be clones made by Sinister whose creation was warped unintentionally by the Hellmouth.
I hope that future chapters clear some of this up. Right now with just the prologue, it feels very unbalanced. Scoobies = bad, bad, bad and X-Men = good, good, good. That's just not true. All of them, Scooby and X-Men alike have their good points and their bad points. Yes, Xander can be an asshole. So can Remy. And Logan. And Scott. Buffy can be a bit bitchy and snobbish. Hello, Betsy anyone? Warren? Emma? Willow can be an arrogant know-it-all...just like Charles, Hank and Storm. Dawn is often whiny and insecure. Jubilee, Bobby and Rogue come to mind.
On the flip side, they all are good people at heart and have many sterling qualities. So, yeah...balance. Like I said earlier, I love the concept. It's interesting and has a lot of potential. Right now though, there are a lot of issues with characterization that need to be addressed and a lot of back-story that needs filled in. I'll check back for more, but it's hard to read a story that feels like it starts in the middle when there is so many unanswered questions.
Comments from author:
Think about it for Jubilee's POV, her friend, Gmabit, is hurting becase of the famiy's actions, Xander came and to her appearences seemed to be saying 'i'm your brother, take me in'. That's not what it is nad taking them out that day is to explain that. And XNader does assume things, they all do, from Sunnydale.
For Buffy, GIle sis going to call on Abraham Whistler for helping ehr learn new slaying techniques. That will amke GIles jealous. He's already heading for it in Bloodlines becuase Buffy goes to Whistler about things
Review By [
Scorpio] • Date [12 Oct 08] • Rating [1 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Prologue" from
asalothReview:
A few things Xander's family left Gambit when he was very young remember he met Willow in kindergarten so he might only have a few memories of Gambit. Also it your fic but I don't think Xander is as much a bigot as you put out he might be against mutants but not normal humans. since this is the first chapter I wait till later to rate it .
Comments from author:
I never said he. I said he's a bit jealous. alos remeber jubilee is a bit biased. She sees seomone as art of a family that hurt Gambit. they left ehr friend alone in the bayou. she's mad on his behalf. he took them out that dayto get them out before thing blew up before he cold speak to ehm
Review By [
asaloth] • Date [29 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Prologue" from
FrardowinReview:
6 out of 10 bad reviews for this fic.... might be something to that.
7 out of 12 with this one
Comments from author:
why is it that the schoobies cna be upset on behalf of each other and get mad at other groups but no ohter gorup can be mad at and jduge them? Oh, wait, sorry, forgot waht site I'm on. the next part will explain things
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Frardowin] • Date [20 Sep 08] • Rating [1 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Prologue" from
dawnisgreatReview:
I really like most of your fic's but this is not so good because of the Dawn bashing but does look like it could become a great X-men Story of which the aren't many
Comments from author:
i know but remember Jubilee is going from waht she sees and how hurt Gambit is. She's reacting defensively of her friend. I thought tha was permissable?
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dawnisgreat] • Date [19 Sep 08] • Rating [3 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Prologue" from
ScratReview:
I... found your story interesting. I have a bit to say, so bear with me please?
First off, sometimes the most important, the notes/warning. You make a good point with the first one, children take on the attitude of their parents - even if they consciously try not too. I can kinda understand what you mean with the warning, but you have to take a step back. From Remy's POV, the entire family abandoned him. But when exactly did Remy leave (I don't believe you stated such) and what are the age differences between them? If Xander turned his back on Remy when Remy was say 18 and Xander was 15 - then yes, Xander abandoned him as well. If Remy left around 15/16, and Xander was closer to 9/10 (different age gap) - then I don't think Xander really abandoned Remy so much as not having much of a clue to what was happening. It is even possible at that age, Xander could also feel abandoned.
So Xander feels abandoned. At the same time, he doesn't have anywhere to go himself and has to continue living with his parents, who obviously didn't care and in fact hated Remy (though the point their racial bigots against Remy doesn't make sense - Remy is their son, so their bigots against themselves? Perhaps mutant bigots would make more sense). He learns from his parents, because they are the ones to set the baseline for what is right or wrong - even if eventually he works to change it - so if his parents say Remy was wrong, then Xander is predisposed to believe them.
If you have questions or want to talk about it I'd love to discuss it, unfortunately I'm held back a bit because I don't actually know the situation of Remy being abandoned/leaving.
But moving onto the story. I know a bit about X-men (read some of the comics, watched the movies, read and looked them up a bit), but not much and nothing really about Jubilee. So I'm not going to say anything about her really, excepts she sounds really jealous and protective. The Scoobies must have left a really bad impression for the severity of her reaction (or she's just a teenager being territorial).
If the "wah" bits explained the personality you have set for the scoobies as baseline, then I have to say I'm a bit disappointed. I agreed with you in the notes, Xander isn't perfect and would probably be bigoted in some form (it's helps create a great plot) - but you took them past that. As far as I can see, you took the scoobies, erased their good parts, and let them loose during the worse part of each of their lives.
Here's the plot of season 6 (summary from wikipedia): "Buffy's friends resurrect her through a powerful spell in the sixth season. Buffy returns from Heaven deeply depressed and finds a job at a fast food restaurant while conducting a secret, mutually abusive affair with Spike that later leads to him attempting to rape her. Plagued with remorse, he undergoes a series of trials and is awarded with a soul so he can "give her what she deserves". Her friends are unaware of her inner turmoils as they face their own troubles: Dawn becomes a kleptomaniac, Xander leaves Anya at the altar, and Willow becomes addicted to magic. When Tara is killed by an unhinged Warren Mears, Willow descends into darkness and begins a rampage that nearly causes the end of the world. In the end it is Xander who reaches through her pain and stops her from destroying the world."
So you specifically took the scoobies from the worse point in their life and trashing them for it. These are issues brought up and dealt with for the rest of the series. A list of issues from the sixth season Willow alone deals with (not sure where exactly you made it go AU): dealing with a magical addiction, the death of three loved ones (Tara, Joyce, and Buffy who was dead for the entire summer), trying to help Dawn and Xander deal with the death and moving on with life, keeping the Hellmouth safe, going evil and attempting to destroy the world...
Well, I for one can't understand why she isn't being completely sincere, nice, thoughtful, and whatever you think she's lacking.
"Buffy, the Slayer, was a whiny cry-baby because life wasn't fair to her spoiled brat self or her friends."
Buffy, the Slayer, who died to save a sister, whose own mother just died, who was pulled out of Heaven, who was struggling to keep her family going, who was so depressed she was having a mutually abusive affair with a vampire without telling her friends... No. All she is, is a whiny cry-baby who is spoiled who thinks her life in unfair.
Dawn was a brat. A brat who learned in the last season she didn't actually exist as a person. Realizing she was the key that brought all this tragedy to her family. Whose sister died to save her, while she believe she isn't a real person. Both her mom and her sister die - her family is gone in just one season (even if one comes back later it doesn’t matter). Even if you looked at nothing else except what I wrote here, there is more than enough to explain some of her troubles.
And Xander. God. What does he have to be jealous about? You have seen his own history, it might not be like Remy's, but he doesn't exactly have anything to be insecure about. He was going to be married to Anya, who certainly wasn't shy about how good Xander was. Yeah, he left her - but he did it because he was afraid to see himself becoming his parents (by the way, this would have been a great place to bring in abandonment feelings about Remy - does he on some level realize it was wrong and didn't want to find himself abandoning his own child? You can change the vision he had slightly to work this in more). About him feeling special? Damn girl, watch the frigging series again. I'd say that was dealt with by season 4 or 5.
Moving on though, I'm confused as to how the x-men know anything about the scoobies. Jubilee appears to know them and their issues intimately - especially issues I can't see them sharing with strangers they don't like and who don't like them. "And to make people like them even less, if that was at all possible, they refused to mingle with anyone at the school. They stayed in the little common room of the suite the professor gave them unless it was meal time." You state they stay in their room, but earlier you have Jubilee acting as if they're constantly interacting with the x-men in a negative fashion. Why would the x-men know anything about their fighting skills? Do the x-men train with them, take them on missions? But what happened to the staying in their room bit?
I can't agree with how you're having them all act. If the scoobies were in enough trouble to cross country to go to a relative Xander's family rejected, why aren't they dealing with why they came? If they came for an escape or to buy time to act, it made sense to say they were hiding away in a common room given to them, coming out only for meals. They would be hopefully trying to plan a way to deal with whatever made them leave home.
I honestly like the idea behind the story, but I don't get how you're carrying it out. Something happened to the scoobies, making them leave home and go to a brother Xander's family rejected. This brings up great plot by way of character development and some action when they go back to take care of whatever made the scoobies run in the first place. You bring up good issues between Xander and Remy, what does family really mean, what makes up a family?
I thought Remy overall was written okay, if a little perfect. He was abandoned but has absolutely no issues (despite ending up halfway cross country), going so far as to except not only family but friends of his hated family as well?
I liked the end of the prologue. The speech on family Remy gave, the discussion between Xander and Giles about Xander's expectations, and especially Xander's not understanding why Remy is not acting like he was taught a family should - especially the confusion of why he needed to earn respect.
I feel like once you got done bashing the Buffy characters, you put out a good story that deals with good points. Xander was a bit over the top and demanding (if he believes family is just there for when it's absolutely needed, why does he care Remy is going out without him?), but I liked his confusion in the end.
I thought I was done, but I do have two more things I’d like to point out.
Other than the character bashing, my main problem is that you've changed the story to fit your plot, but you didn’t explain what was changed where. For how long did Remy live with Xander? What's the age difference there? What makes the 6th season AU for the Buffy-verse? Buffy has obviously come back and Tara is dead, so does that mean Xander has left Anya and Willow attempted to destroy the world? Where are we in the 6th season? (or did I just miss the entire explanation?)
My last one is a little long but deals not with actual plot, but creating a world for your plot. You're writing a crossover between two similar but very different stories. Luckily, they both happen at roughly the same time in the same world. But beyond that, it's completely different.
X-men are super-heroes. That means they are overpowered, seriously, it comes with being a super hero. The x-men also dealing with emotion, the series isn’t half so much about the daily fights and world saving as it is about dealing with people who are different from the norm. This means the x-men had a training center. They pull people to one place to show them they are normal and okay and to help them deal with what's happening to them. They have everything they could ask for at their fingertips.
Buffy was about a normal girl getting super powers, but always being at her core normal and desiring normal. Buffy is dealing with individuals and how they handle power they aren't ready for or trained for. There is no support system in Buffy's world. No official training past an old man who appears to be a school librarian. If and when they needed money, Buffy had to personally go out and get a job - even as she saved the world by night.
Other than the two series getting at different things, the power levels are way out of whack. You have to equalize the worlds. Either you have to make Buffy's stronger, or X-Men's weaker. Here's how I would do it:
Buffy is stronger than a normal being, faster healing, better senses (slightly), a sixth sense when dealing with the supernatural, she is given this power by the PTB (her with her demon genes). She's not good with fighting humans because that's not what she's there for. She's good at close, dirty fighting where there's a lot of improvise where she usually has to overcome a disadvantage.
So let's say she's stronger than Logan (who only has healing, his strength is gained from training) but can't break his bones (they are the strongest metal after all) and she heals at only half his speed. In a fight she would have trouble with him – he heals extremely fast and is tough. She can’t seem to do permanent damage, but that’s why she has back-up. She could probably last one on one against Logan for awhile, long enough for one of the others to act in her favor.
You adjust the x-men a little, for the most part it doesn’t matter. You just deal as if Buffy had her own mutation and place her in the series. My main point here, you can’t leave their powers the same as in their own series – or else the X-Men would have been dealing with Vampires and there’s no point for Buffy.
Wow. That was a bit more than I planned to write. Can probably be summed up by saying – I think you’re character bashing the Buffy characters, but I like your Remy. Sounds like a good plot with some nice issues, but you have some plot holes from how you dealt with merging the worlds. I can’t wait for the next chapter and would love to talk through email about any of the points mentioned above. My email shouldn’t be available, but let me know in a reply to this if you’d like me to email you.
Comments from author:
Remy didn't leave, the abandoned him in the bayou. Their motherwas cajun, Thieves GUild. She adn erh busband didn't want a mutant so they left him. like in bobby Drake's family the younger son doesn't have powers.
two: Xnader was jealous of being normal guy hile everyone ele arund him had gifts. That is canon.
Three: The X-Men HAVE dealt wiht vampires so no, I don't nee to chnge BUff to a supermutant. She has gifts intended to be what she ahs to fight which in come cases is nowehre enar what the X-Men battle. Logan is also a prml throw back and banshee ahs more and better training ebcusae seh actualy did it. he didn't lie to people to spend time wiht his boyfriend.
Four: Why is only mys tories wehre i;m told i ahve to change BUffy to fit ahtnworld? no one else does. no one else has to change anyone. (Sorry, minor rant)
Five: Theyw ere brats. I set this before six ended I think. Tara is dead and I sued the actual rules of Wicca for why seh died.
Six: Willow was a whiney manipulative brat fomr seonas one on. Good people do not tell mean people to delete a halfa year's worth of work out of spite. I WAS the picked on kid in highshcol I NEVER woudl have done that to the people who picked on me. It's as cruel as Xander's unfunny jokes were.
Seven: Jubilee isnt jealous of them she's pissed off that Xnader demadned a place from Remy when it' obvious the family abandoning him hurt him. and if Xnader doens't have to be rational abut people elaving him in other ifcs when he wa slittle, why shuld Remy have to be? that's a doule standard I won't play to. S far as Gambit knew they all three left him, XNader was old enough to argue, he didn't say a word, he just got in the car adn elft wiht thier parent. so Gambit has a bit of hurt there.
But I never said he was being rational. He's hurting. Just like Xander is allowed to in every fic where a sibling, older or younger, leaves him.
the second Marvel crossover I have. His older brohter comes back, Xander's I mean, and takes him to NY. Thing is Curt Connors won't le him skip on working in shcool. And he won't let him wmail or im willow until he's sure Xander is doing his own homeowrk. That one has to do with someone finding out Willow does all of Xander's work (Canon) and expelling him.
Review By [
Scrat] • Date [15 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Prologue" from
FrardowinReview:
Wow, this is the world's biggest coincidence. You have five characters that are completely different than those in BtVS, and they have the same names/powers of the regular characters. I wonder what the odds were.
I want my ten minutes back.
Also if Xander was a racist, he would not have dated/atempted to date the non-white women that he did.
Just to point that out.
Comments from author:
Sorry, too many Xander fans have told me I'm right and he is in character. So I think I'll listen to them over you.
I write as I saw them acting. my opinion is differnet fomr yours. but t's mine. ANd I write to what I saw. not what anyone else did. and excuse me for ignroing the little bobbles where they tried ot make him mroe than he was. he was only interested in Kendra beucase seh was a Slayer and since he couldn't have BUffy he figured he'll try the next one. besides, she shares his racist, coucil brain-washed views.
As I said, anyone who knows my writing knows how i write. I don't give refunds on time if you ignored the warning. That one's on you, not me.
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Frardowin] • Date [8 Sep 08] • Rating [1 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Prologue" from
senfonaReview:
This? Will be fun. *Grins in anticipation*
Comments from author:
guessing you like it? mor coming as soon as I can figure out how to phrase the next part.
Review By [
senfona] • Date [8 Sep 08] • Rating [8 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Prologue" from
TruthIsWhatUMakeOfItReview:
Xander nor any of the others seemed to be racist towards Kendra, Rona, Oz (werewolf), Willow and Tara (homosexual witches), he dates a black woman or at least tries to. The characters are basically other people with the Buffyverse names slapped on them. Also, show don't tell, many of my English teachers have told me that. Now I'm telling you and if I have to tell you then it's pretty bad off. Instead of stating how things are show us scenes. As far as Xander goes he seemed like he was trying to be as different from his dad as possible in the show. He has a job is fairly responsible and isn't a drunk or a rageaholic. Xander pretty much got over not having powers when he got through the whole zombie/bomb incident. He later helps Dawn to get used to being human surrounded by power houses.
If u could tell which version of X-Men u will be using it would probably help the reader understand what's going on a bit.
Comments from author:
I told you I mix the versions so it amkes sense since i've read the comics fomr the sixties on up. That is in the disclaimer. And oddly enough only three commoents have accused me of using the nemae on odd charatcers. Everyone else says they did act like this adn two of thos people are Xander fans and they say I ahve him right.
Sorry to disappoint you but I did watch allsevens eaosns adn this is how I saw the Scoobies acting.
Does that mean they won't c hange? no. At least Xander adn Dawn will. but, if you don't like my opinions or any that disagree wiht your ideas then don't read my stuff.
and I know the show don't tell rule but every time I do that I get screamed at for ot having an dialogue or converstaions between charatcers. So, make up your minds, people.
And he did not get over not ahving powers. he still ahd his doofus attitude in seaosn four of thinking he was lal that when he's not.
that was his main flaw: his jealousy.
And I don't cae what fantasy world Joss hedon live in but yu do NOT spend six seaosns blinded by hate and jealousy and thens uddenly be the one who sees. that was Joss wanting his three heroes to be perfect adn excusing all the bad things they did when marti noxon was in charge. I said this was an AU.
that means none of the shit Willow cused bringing BUffy back other than Tara dying happens. no first evil, no potentials, no Kennedy, No souled Spike, none of it.
And it was WIllow's Fault. She did throw the balance. God fobid she be punsihed for it though.
And if your English Teacher otld yout he show, don;t tell rule then i'm sur he or she told you Chat Speak is no proper english.. I don't normally reply to comments that use it unless i'm in a bad mood. I'm not today but kee that in mind if you review my other stories.
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TruthIsWhatUMakeOfIt] • Date [8 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Prologue" from
ShieldageReview:
Well written disclaimer. You're writing Gambit well. I hope the Scoobies gain character development. That doesn't mean I hope they become competent heroes though, as long as they're growing when they do it they could just as easily join an anti-mutant magical initiation society and become the villains of the piece. Well, not 'villian' villians, but that anti-hero / dark and twisted champion kinda thing.
You know, like what could happen if Buffy landed in a universe where vampires were souled/legal and signed up with the local Humanity-First Society/Church of Vampire Destruction. She'd still be a hero, just... opposed to the protagonists of the series and at risk of becoming twisted by the methods being used by her speciest 'friends'.
Not an exact parallel, of course. She's not likely to kill souled mutants even if she joins an anti-mutant organization, whereas if she joined an anti-souled-vampire hate group...
I agree with FallenDruid's point about the 'Wah,' statements being from a very skewed perspective, especially the one that mistakenly implies Tara's death was caused by Willow's magic... Unless she did die from magic here and that's one of the reasons they're on Gambit's doorstep...
I'll blame Jubilee's inaccurate and colored angle on the Scoobies' past on the fact that the Scoobies are acting like completely ungrateful asses in the present.
Oh. AU past Season 6? I don't see Spike... I guess he never came back?
Comments from author:
sorry, the law of magic abuse states if you abuse magic in a major way three different times you lose what you love the most. Since i apply the rules of the religion willow was supposed to follow, the one 'I' do follow, then that makes Tara's death her fault: Something Blue, the ressurection spell which would normally be strikes one, two, and three for someone who isn't like Anita Blake, a natural Necromancer, and then Tabula Rosa. Three abuses, three acts of selfish magic. and thats not counting using magic for very little thing like getting dressed.
and the balance can be caused by a villain, like Warren, but for the rule of magic it was Willow's actions that cost Tara to be taken from her. Becuase there is Karma in Wicca, adn there is fate and there are consequences for things done. not saying it was fair but that was the price. The person she loved the most.
Buffy as a memeber of HUman's first...they'd kill her, too. She ahs demon genes in her from the heart the first slayer ate. She's not human enough for them. And not decent enough for JC's group. That's why it's only Dawn in Master of the City
I odn't know where Spike is here. Honestly I hadn't even thought about him.
the Wah comments are fomr the ungrateful brat attitudes adn that Juilee knows that Xander hurt Gambit. She sees ehr friend hurt and she kows wh caused it and she was atreet kid who had it a lot rougher than any of them have had it and no one at the shcool had an easy homelife.
Review By [
Shieldage] • Date [8 Sep 08] • Rating [8 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Prologue" from
ShadowMasterReview:
Well...I don't know if there's anything really positive I can say about this fanfic. The negative way in which the Scoobies were described/treated by Jubilee and the X-Men was way to extreme and in my opinion completely unfeasible. At first I thought this was simply Jubilee's own colored P.O.V or something but then when I got to the part where there was some actual dialogue I stopped reading right there. It makes me wonder if you've actually watched BtVS because your portrayal of the characters are horrible. Even if I was willing to take into consideration my own slightly skewed P.O.V when it comes to the cast of BtVS I couldn't consider your portrayal of them as being anything other than a smear job. It makes me think you actually hate the BtVS series and are just posting this fanfic to slam/bash/soil the show for all us loyal fans to see.
Even if the Scoobies have some questionable qualities to them they don't deserve the kind of bashing found in this prologue.
I will give this fanfic the benefit of a doubt and take a look at the next chapter hoping that you'll present a more realistic and accurate portrayal of the Scoobies. If however this current trend of bad mouthing continues though I will have to look elsewhere for quality BtVS crossover fanfics.
Comments from author:
I portray them as I saw them behaving. That's my opinion. And kindly remember Xander left Gambit. None of the X-Men are thrilled that he showed up now.
Loyal Fans would accept they ahd flaws, that theyw erne't the agels so many fics here portray them as. Loyal Fans understand heroes have flaws.
Again, that's my oinion. You don't have to agree with it or like it but it is mine.
Review By [
ShadowMaster] • Date [7 Sep 08] • Rating [1 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Prologue" from
FallenDruidReview:
I usually don't read your stories, Kate, because they do nothing for me - and I get all riled up. I clicked on this one before I checked to see who wrote it.
Now, I can sort of see where you're coming from with Xander, given the 'horribly bigoted racist' position you've given Xander's parents. I can even understand Jubilee not particularly liking the attitudes of the majority of S6 cast.
'Wah, I'm a mystical Key thingie and was ignored for a few months because my bitch sister was throwing a tantrum about life not being fair so I started shoplifting and got in trouble for it, Wah!'
Jubilee's perspective on Dawn seems a bit skewed - Dawn didn't start shoplifting until after Buffy died. Dieing, being resurrected and torn out of heaven only to be forced into a job at the Doublemeat palace in order to pay the bills would seem to be a fairly justifiable reason for bitching about the fairness of life. Shoplifting is a fairly tame thing, psychologically speaking, as an attention getting gesture for people who feel that they've been abandoned. In addition, Jubilee doesn't seem to think that discovering that you used to be a mystical orb of energy who was inserted into someone elses life and had all of her family and friends memories altered to include her and has a Hellgod after her in order to sacrifice her in a ritual that would destroy the universe is something that one should take in stride. Jubilee may not know the whole story, but since she knows about the Key aspect, her knowing the full story seems quite likely.
'Wah, My magic got cut off because I abused it, my lover died because of same, and I'm not the most powerful person magically on earth, Wah!'
Wait, huh? Must have happened somewhere else in the background we don't have, I was under the impression that Tara died because Warren Mears shot her through the heart after Willow cleaned up her act and stopped using magic for everything.
'Wah, I'm normal and everyone around me has power or magic or personality and treats me like a joke because I acted like one, Wah!'
Duhwah? Nobody's treated Xander like a joke except Spike since 'The Zeppo.' And Spike treats everybody who's not Spike, Buffy, Joyce, or Dawn like a joke. In addition, I was given to understand that Xander did in fact have a personality at one point in time, otherwise he'd never have gotten to make out with Cordelia...or Anya, or the Incan mummy girl...
'Wah, I was chosen and have these powers and I don't want to be the one it all comes down to so I run away from my responsibility and people die and then I feel guilty, Wah!'
She ran away from her responsibility -once.- After she sent Angel to Hell, in the literal sense. Teenage girl who has just stabbed person she considers her soulmate, the love of her life, through the chest with a sword and shoved him through a portal into -Hell.- Yeah, she could have handled it better - but she could have handled it a lot worse, too.
Xander and his parents had abandoned Gambit,
Uhm, okay. I can buy that his -parents- abandoned Gambit, yeah, but you seem to be implying that Xander had a choice in the matter - and maybe he did, but only at the cost of outraging his bigoted racist hateful and apparently physically violent parents.
Small Town America with its easy to tell, fight, and beat evil
Easy to tell? Yes, in many cases. Notable exceptions include the Mayor, Ben, and Professor Walsh. Easy to fight? Easy to beat? are you watchingthe same show I am? Admittedly, to a group like the X-men who routinely go up against demigods, the Avatars of Gods, and people who could be gods if they bothered to have people worshipping them, maybe. For a group of mostly ordinary kids and one Slayer who has comparatively minor enhancements? not so much.
Well, that and none of them had ever fought humans, or their own kind, anyway, the hard way.
Out of curiosity, what's the hard way? And besides, if you have to fight someone the 'hard' way, you're doing it wrong, especially if your life, the life of someone else, or the fate of the world is riding on your shoulders.
They at least had homes. Maybe not the best but they did have them.
After season 6, remember? Joyce is dead, Hank is in Spain with his secretary, Willow's moved out of her absentee parents who attempted to burn her at the stake home, and Xander was kicked out of his bigoted racist asshole parents house.
"What do you mean you're going out?!" Xander was railing at Gambit, "You can't go out without me, I'm your brother!"
...you know, I'd really like to see one, just one example of Xander treating anyone like this in canon. Like, say, Clem, who is a Demon. Demons which, as a general rule, Xander hates with a burning fiery passion.
I'd really like to know what's happened in the backstory, cause I can't follow what's going on here at all
Comments from author:
Jubilee has a slightly skewed thing going on here. remeber all she sees right now is Xnader bing a jackass to Gambit and asusming he should get hwat he wants. She isn't thinking clearly. She's thinking like a protective firend. Like Willow does for Xander.
She loves Gambit and Xnader's presence is hurting him. Gambit wasn't being cruel hew as tating a fact. he is an X-Man. he built a new family. he built a family that didn't care he was a mutant. all he did was state a act
Review By [
FallenDruid] • Date [7 Sep 08] • Rating [1 out of 10]